tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2274438111706927359.post2558421861717630796..comments2024-03-16T18:17:07.224-07:00Comments on Nate Jenkins Training: Canova Marathon Training VS. Pfitzinger's Advanced Marathoningnateruns@hotmail.comhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01851427962048556845noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2274438111706927359.post-88933532089582438012020-07-16T09:08:45.661-07:002020-07-16T09:08:45.661-07:00I think, at the top level anyway, it is where the ...I think, at the top level anyway, it is where the marathon HAS already gone. There have been two big jumps in marathoning since the turn of the century after a period of 25 years with only small incrimental improvements. The first bringing world class marathoning from the 2:07 to 2:10 range to the 2:04 to 2:07 range was this shift to doing way more long fast running. Both at marathon speed as well as at 90 to 95% of marathon speed. The second of course has been the shoes. That brought us to this world of world class being 2:01 to 2:05. Charlie's book is great. He really didn't have a lot of natural talent but he was a genius in terms of mindset and always a HUGE performer when it mattered most. As a slower sprinter he was probabaly a pure marathoner so doing more specific work may not have helped him as much as some of the runners from the era who really under performed in the marathon, Mark Nenow and the like. But still I'd guess he would have run 2:06 or better. Still times are always realitive to the time and will fade in luster. Medals, wins,national teams these things last forever untarnished. I think Charlie was under respected in his time. When athletes look back now you can't help but see him for the giant he was. As an aside he also wrote an interesting book on diet. I'm not as big a fan of meat as him but it is worth a read. I don't agree with all his conclusions but he outlines the problems in the modern diet very clearly and very well. nateruns@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01851427962048556845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2274438111706927359.post-62050867054278097672020-07-16T01:21:44.012-07:002020-07-16T01:21:44.012-07:00Again, I know this was from a while ago, but reall...Again, I know this was from a while ago, but really enjoyed this succinct comparison between the two. I’ve just finished reading Charlie Spedding’s book (last to first), Olympic bronze medalist 1984. One of his regrets was not to run enough at ‘race pace’. Common sense and logic suggest Canova is where marathon running has to go. As Canova says - you can’t expect to run fast if you are either running long and slow or short and fast- you have to run long and fast!!! peteleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17696811150377880505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2274438111706927359.post-41836846857958304862020-05-07T13:22:17.970-07:002020-05-07T13:22:17.970-07:00JP- Thanks! I'm glad.JP- Thanks! I'm glad.nateruns@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01851427962048556845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2274438111706927359.post-61285264650582194012020-05-06T20:32:17.161-07:002020-05-06T20:32:17.161-07:00Finding this after your interview with Mario. Real...Finding this after your interview with Mario. Really enjoyed the podcast and similarly enjoyed this blog post. Thanks Nate.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344738575656595375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2274438111706927359.post-69308977596153194802019-11-23T08:20:05.136-08:002019-11-23T08:20:05.136-08:00Dom,
I think that heavy workouts are ok as you a...Dom,<br /> I think that heavy workouts are ok as you age but the recovery after and the time between these sessions needs to be much more than when you are younger or if you had a time when you were more bullet proof so I think your caution is a good plan. <br />-Natenateruns@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01851427962048556845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2274438111706927359.post-69517487481142863202019-11-22T13:09:01.506-08:002019-11-22T13:09:01.506-08:00Hi Nate,
I know this was a while ago but just wan...Hi Nate,<br /><br />I know this was a while ago but just wanted to thank you for taking the time. Its invaluable to have the comparison. I haven't read Pfitzinger and have glanced at casanova on letsrun but he seems to be barely intelligible. Something to do with language and also he seems to invent his own terms of reference. You have done a great job of clarifying. I will however approach with caution, as a late starter now aged 49 I'm wary of too much heavy training.<br /><br />I trust coaching is making you happy,<br /><br />Cheers domdomdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07987840533094239788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2274438111706927359.post-57282252893057261882018-10-06T18:44:49.706-07:002018-10-06T18:44:49.706-07:00Makes sense. Looking forward to trying it. Thanks!...Makes sense. Looking forward to trying it. Thanks!Mike G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06784749651871259912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2274438111706927359.post-49556270591432971302018-10-06T12:47:07.140-07:002018-10-06T12:47:07.140-07:00I think it is key to add way more of the Canova st...I think it is key to add way more of the Canova style specific workouts in the last 8 weeks. But if it was me I would also do some, not all, of my long runs before that at around 90% mp and I would do at least a few sessions of something in the range to 12xmile to 8x2miles at marathon pace with half mile jog recoveries in the weeks/months before getting to that specific period. <br />-Natenateruns@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01851427962048556845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2274438111706927359.post-74799542048750852882018-10-05T07:12:03.488-07:002018-10-05T07:12:03.488-07:00Hi Nate,
This post is very informative for me, as...Hi Nate,<br /><br />This post is very informative for me, as I just completed by 3rd marathon on the Pfitzinger 55/70 schedule and all three ended up with me not quite reaching my potential based on shorter distance races (2:56, 2:53, 2:54 - if that matters. Earlier this year I ran a 60 min 10mi so was aiming for more like sub-2:50). In all cases I had a pretty bad fade in the last 5-7k. Next year I hope to incorporate some more Canova style workouts to combat this. <br /><br />Just one thing I wanted to confirm - do you suggest only swapping in Canova workouts from 8 weeks to go until 2 weeks to go, or also including the workouts earlier in the schedule? I wonder if you feel there would be a benefit from adding more MP work earlier in the schedule. Pfitzinger only has 3 runs with MP in the first 10 weeks, and the rest is LT. <br /><br />Thanks!<br />MikeMike G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06784749651871259912noreply@blogger.com